CRASS

psychocandy · 17.08.2005 10:52

mulla on pari levyä, kertokaa lisää!

DirtyBlueGene · 17.08.2005 14:22

Mullakin on pari levyä! Penis Envy ihan helvetin hieno (Eve Libertine sydan ), Stations of the Crass hajanaisempi ja ei läheskään niin hieno.

Babrigahan taisi kirjoittaa näistä pitkähkön vuodatuksen edelliselle foorumille, pannan uusiks mijtaah?

helicon · 17.08.2005 14:29

jaakko vois pannan kuvan crass-tatskastaan!

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:center::huig::center: · 17.08.2005 14:39

ei siitä oo kuvia icon_eek

voisin pannan joo, mutta nyt ei ehdi kun duunissa on spastista hektistä ja hulinaa. Feeding of the 5000 on paras ja kaikki muutkin ihan parasta. Etenkin koko idea ja tapa millä tekivät kaikkea mitä tekivätkään...

psychocandy · 17.08.2005 14:45

yeah no jäämme odottelemaan... piti oikein luntata mitä levyjä mulla niiltä olikaan, näemmä vain stations of the crass ja tuplakokis best before. täytyy ottaa taas kuunteluun kun jostain pändi tuli taas mieleen. do they owe us a living? of course they fucking do!

jookcha · 14.06.2006 12:08

Joo kova bändi. Ite on omista mitään, mut tyttöystävällä on Feeding of the 5000, Penis Envy ja Best Before. Spåm

psychocandy · 14.06.2006 15:19

jookcha wrote:

tyttöystävällä on Penis Envy

tästä vois joku fiksumpi keksiä jonkun "hauskan" vitsin... spåm!

:center::huig::center: · 24.06.2006 06:14

en vieläkään pääse asiakeskustelun alkuun, mutta eipä muuta pidäkään sanoa kuin että kuunnelkaa kaikki näitten levyt ja monta kertaa

spåm

:center::huig::center: · 24.06.2006 06:42

crass on paras bändi ikinä, ja auringon noustessa ei tule edes ikävä mambaa kun tää pauhaa..

in all your decadence people die

do they owe us a living? of course they fuckin' do!

nimenomaan

:center::huig::center: · 08.11.2006 21:59

Nonni, elikkäs joukko sellaisessa hippikommuunissa eläneitä nuoria joiden hippi-illuusio oli murtunut jo jonkin aikaa sitten ja muuttunut kyynisyydeksi ja vihaksi, lähti punk-meininkeihin mukaan. Eipä siinä kauaa mennytkään, kun Crass-nimellä itseään kutsuva joukko sai huomata kuinka tämäkin illuusio murtui saman tien, sanahelinän alla muodosta tehtiin myyntiartikkeli ja sisältö alistettiin tälle. Seksipyssyjen sketsi tylsyi, monet punkbändit alkoivat levyttämään kapitalistien pussiin.

Crassin touhut perustuivat peräänantamattomaan anarko-sosiaali-libertaari-feministi-pasifismi-ajattelutapaan ja näiden toteuttamiseen DIY-tyyliin kollaasimaisin tekniikoin sekä äänessä, videossa kuin grafiikassakin. Julkaisivat levynsä itse, eivätkä ottaneet levyistä voittoa, eivätkä suostuneet keikoistaankaan rahaa ottamaan ("We even played a Rock Against Racism gig, the only gig that we'd ever been paid for. When we told the man to keep the money for the cause, he informed us that 'this was the cause'. We never played for RAR again."), täten saivat levyihin laitettua halvat hinnat ja estivät isoja levykuppoja myymään niitä ylihintaan liimaamalla kansiin "älä maksa enempiä ku x".

Keikoilla tosiaan yhdisteltiin surrealistisia, rujoja ja "vallankumouksellisia" videoita bändin soittoon, levynkannet ovat aikamoisia vertauskuvatykittelyjä, stencil-hommissa olivat uranuurtajia, olivat nostamassa CND:tä (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) unohduksista...muihin tempauksiin kuuluu nimettömänä lehdistölle vuodettu pätkistä yhdistelty thatchergate-nauha, jossa Reagan ja Thatcher keskustelevat Falklandin sodasta, Thatcherin tunnustaessa taistelulaiva Sheffieldin tahallisen upottamisen. Lehdistö epäili ensin KGB:tä mutta sitten joku pääsi Crassin jäljille...kuten arvata saattaa, Scotland Yard oli jatkuva vierailija. Crass-tyyppien peräänantamattomuus ja tuttunsa Wally Hopen julma kohtalo valtiovoimien murhaamana aiheuttivat sekä konflikteja että pelkoa porukan keskuudessa.

Lähettivätpä teinilehti Lovingillekin kappaleen, lehden morsiusteemanumeroon kerättiin biisejä ja sinne lähetettiin Penis Envy-levyn päätösbiisi Our Wedding. Lehteen tämä meni laulaja Joy de Vivren nimellä (bändin nimenä oli Creative Recording and Sound Services), ja biisihän on kliseekiisseli-lähetsymistavan kautta avioinstituutiolle vittuileva veto.

Eli monessa olivat mukana...toisin kuin nämä "me mennään taistelemaan systeemiä vastaan sisältäpäin"-itsepetturit jotka muuttavat itsensä käveliksi mainoslauseiksi ja sanomansa latistetaan merkityskoneiston avulla haitattomiksi ja epäaktiivisiksi sloganeiksi, tässä oli tarkoituksena tehdä asioita ihan siellä yhteisön tasolla ja piikitellä ihan oikeesti.

Se, miksi Crassin touhu loppui, siihen voidaan etsiä vastausta Wally Hopen saagasta, siitä miten toimi julkisen Crass-nimen alla oli täten hyvin hankalaa ja ahdistavaa, sekä myös siitä kuinka aatetasolla porukka alkoi hajaantumaan. Penny Rimbaud käsittelee Shibboleth-kirjassaan Crassia, Wally Hopea sekä omalta osaltaan ajatusmaailman muuntumista täydellisen väkivallattomuuden ideasta väkivallattomuuden kykenemättömyyteen vallankumouksen haasteissa-tyyliseen ajatteluun, ja enemmän individualistisin lähtökohdin toimivaan anarkismiin.

Et sellasta, mul on kuumetta joten en osaa muodostaa lauseita tahi kappaleita enkä tainnu kertoo sanaakaan musiikista...orkl

:center::huig::center: · 29.03.2007 01:48

HUH (HEH)

[quote:3e71094e28]Feeding Of The 5000. A full live band performance by Steve Ignorant & Selected Guests
Saturday 24th & Sunday 25th November: Shepherds Bush Empire
This special event brings together for the first time many of the most prominent names from the anarcho-punk scene, culminating in a performance of Crass's seminal 'Feeding Of The 5000' album in it's entirety alongside other selected Crass material. Other artists to appear include Flux Of Pink Indians, Conflict and Zounds.
SPECIAL OFFER - 2 Day Ticket £30.00 adv
Tickets available online @ TicketWeb or phone 0870 771 2000 [/quote:3e71094e28]

Perjantaista alkaen saa lippui netitse, pitäisköhän? Vois mennä huuteleen "sellouts!" shinnen

:center::huig::center: · 29.03.2007 01:50

:center::huig::center: · 02.08.2007 13:02

YLÖS!

parasta colorflash ikinä

:center::huig::center: · 20.10.2007 05:28

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'Why should we accept any less than a better way of doing things?'

They were the most extreme band of punk's first wave, influencing everyone from the DIY movement to, er, David Beckham. Ahead of a controversial retrospective gig, Iain Aitch looks at the cult of Crass

Friday October 19, 2007
The Guardian

On stage at the Musician club in Leicester, something joyous is happening; yet the joy seems somewhat incongruous. This unsettling feeling is not down to the venue's odd setting on the edge of an industrial estate, but due to the words that are coming from Jeffery Lewis's mouth as he strums his battered acoustic guitar .

"Banned from the Roxy, OK," sings Lewis, a touch of his New York accent audible in his soft poetry-cum-nursery rhyme delivery. "I never much liked playing there, anyway."

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The audience beam right back, bobbing their heads along to the jolly, bouncing pace that the rhythm section dictates. But for a few, mostly older, members of the audience, these words make the hairs on the back of the neck stand to attention.

Usually shouted with extreme venom, to a musical backing that was almost painful, Banned From the Roxy was written and first recorded by Crass, who were the most extreme band, musically, artistically and politically, to emerge from the initial wave of punk. The track comes from their 1978 debut 12-inch EP, The Feeding of the 5,000. The 18-track, 30-minute EP, on the Small Wonder label, retailed for just £1.99 (when albums of not much longer were selling for £3.99) and was quite unlike anything that had come before.

Lewis continues his set, throwing in most of the dozen Crass songs that make up his latest album, 12 Crass Songs. Lewis's cracked-voice folk style rids of them of their old snarling anger, but what does shine through is how amazing these songs are. With Crass, the typed lyric sheet that came inside their stencilled record sleeves was essential if you were to understand what was being said above the dissonant racket of open-tuned guitars. But in Lewis's hands, they become protest songs of the Phil Ochs school, offering solutions alongside the put-downs about those in power.

"They are just fantastic songs," says Lewis before the gig. "These are some of the best songs in the pantheon of songs, certainly as far as topical or political songs go. They are mind-blowing line after line; passionate and intelligent."

Crass were also famed for their ability to cram a vast number of expletives into their material, something Lewis has ironed out for his more gentle delivery. On The Feeding of the 5,000, this led to the album's opening track being a John Cage-esque silence, as pressing plant workers objected to what they saw as blasphemous lyrics.

The missing track was finally released in 1979 as the Reality Asylum single on the band's own Crass label. What was essentially sound-collaged poetry flew off the shelves. But because the price was pegged to "no more than 45p", the band lost money on every copy. In the long term, though, Reality Asylum, with the distinctive Crass logo on the front, forged an aesthetic that was a profound force in independent music in the early 80s (a few years back, David Beckham was pictured in the papers wearing a T-shirt featuring the Crass logo in diamante studs. Did he understand what he was wearing, or the irony of a luxury Crass T-shirt even existing?) Their records topped the indie charts for weeks on end - helped by the pricing policy - in the days when that meant tens of thousands of sales, and their label put out music by, among others, Chumbawamba and Björk, when she was the singer of Icelandic punk band Kukl. They also inspired hundreds more aspiring bands.

"Even though they may be considered extremists, as the music is extreme, a lot of it is perfectly rational," says Lewis. "They offer such an uncompromising vision, which is: 'Why should we accept anything less than a better way of doing things?' They ran everything as a band themselves and were not involved in the regular industry machine. They were the spearhead of DIY and creative networking."

Lewis works in a similar way to Crass. Sleeping on fans' floors rather than in hotels and booking his own tours, often with the assistance of audience members who ask if he would consider playing their town next time around. Another characteristic Lewis shares with Crass is the desire to educate. Crass would send fans leaflets (usually self-produced) on topics ranging from vegetarianism to environmentalism to nuclear disarmament, introducing a slew of working- class punks to traditionally middle-class ideals. The records came elaborately packaged with dense screeds of polemic. So effective was their propaganda, in fact, that they were courted by the KGB and the IRA, and monitored at their Epping commune by MI5.

Lewis's educative efforts are compelling to witness. He doubles as a comic-book artist, bringing this skill to the stage in Leicester to give what can only be referred to as a multimedia presentation. As he sings, he flips through an oversized pad containing images about the history of the written word.

Lewis's album comes at the pinnacle of a resurgence of interest in Crass, with two recent books, a film, several compilations of related sounds and at least one more book on the way. This renewed enthusiasm has also dragged Crass vocalist Steve Ignorant out of retirement for a one-off weekend of gigs in London. This is being heralded as the closest thing to a Crass gig since the band split in 1984, retreating to organic gardens and artists' studios. The band had always threatened to call it a day at the preset Orwellian sell-by-date, but their eventual demise was the result of years of being held up as leaders of a movement they had inadvertently created.

"This guy asked me if I wanted to do 30 minutes for something, and I said the only way I will do it is if I had a half-hour slot to do The Feeding of the 5,000," says Ignorant. "I think he was shocked. He was certainly silent for a long time on the end of the phone. It has snowballed from there and now all these other bands, like Flux of Pink Indians, are involved, too."

The choice of venue, the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London, has caused controversy among fans of the band. Crass usually played church halls and scout huts, with almost every gig being a benefit for CND, Rape Crisis or some other worthy cause. Internet message boards are abuzz with accusations of a sell-out.

"Some of the criticism from old fans has been spiteful and personal," says Ignorant. "But I don't have to justify what I do. A lot of interviews on Crass in recent years have just not touched on how bloody good we were and what an amazing noise we made. Plus, most of the lyrics are still relevant today. And remember that three-letter word, 'fun'?"

Fun is not something most would associate with Crass, but it is often forgotten that they had a wonderfully subversive sense of humour, once releasing a Christmas single of their hits played on a cheap keyboard, much to the bemusement of hardcore fans, as well as hoaxing the teen magazine Loving into giving away an anti-marriage flexi-disc they had recorded.

They even signed off their best-of compilation Best Before with the run-out groove of the vinyl repeating the words "We only did it for a laugh," hinting that those who followed the band's every word may themselves have simply been the victims of a complex situationist prank.

But Ignorant finds nothing to laugh about in the reaction to favouring a non-revolutionary beneficiary for some of the door money from the weekend. "Some of the money is going to a benefit, which is something this promoter always does," he says. "I said I would like it to go to the local lifeboat [in Norfolk] and someone has heard about this and had a pop at me. Lifeboats save lives, they don't get any funding. The bloody cheek of people."

The biggest critic of Ignorant's London shows, though, has been another founder- member of Crass, Penny Rimbaud, whose hippie idealism gave Crass a good deal of its political grounding. Rimbaud initially refused Ignorant the right to perform Crass songs he had written. He has since granted permission, but without endorsing the gigs.

"I acknowledge and respect Steve's right to do this, but I do regard it as a betrayal of the Crass ethos," he says, citing a Crass lyric from 24 years ago that could have been written with such an occasion in mind. The lyric in question speaks of bands performing "rehashed versions of The Feeding of the 5,000", describing them as "the Feeding of the Five Knuckle Shuffle". And the more he speaks the angrier he gets.

"I believe there are people coming in from Japan, who probably bought the whole deal like you would have for Queen in Paris or something," Rimbaud almost spits. "What has that got to do with the covert underground political movement that Crass was a part of?"

More sanguine about the event is writer Ian Glasper, whose book, The Day the Country Died, explores the history of the bands inspired by Crass. He is also playing bass for support act Flux of Pink Indians, who released their first single on the Crass label in 1981.

"I think if you take Crass's songs, then the sentiments are still relevant, especially as a force for awareness," he says. "They make people question what they read and what they see on TV. It certainly is something that encouraged me to think like that and to pass that way of thinking on to my children."

Whether the revival of interest in Crass inspires new free-thinking or is just an exercise in punk nostalgia, like the latest Sex Pistols reunion, remains to be seen. But the legacy of the band is undoubtedly all around, be it in the existence of a vegetarian food selection at your local supermarket, the stencilled artwork of Banksy or in the music of Jeffrey Lewis. Their name may mean little to most, and they may be absent from TV list shows and punk compilation albums, but theirs is a story that still has meaning.

ristiriitaist kyllä but i'm just goin' there for the paarty icon_redface

:center::huig::center: · 01.11.2007 17:43

Hollantilainen telkkaridokkari Crassista, haastatellaan ainaki Penny Rimbaudia peuk

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=5740930& … 611ae8de09

helicon · 02.11.2007 03:56

HUIG wrote:

TÄTÄ kaipaan suomalaiselta musiikkijournalismilta

snore

Voisko ton referoida yhdeksäsosaksi A4:sta?

:center::huig::center: · 02.11.2007 04:04

helicon wrote:

[quote:97bbe4e624="HUIG"]TÄTÄ kaipaan suomalaiselta musiikkijournalismilta[/quote:97bbe4e624]

Voisko ton referoida yhdeksäsosaksi A4:sta?

Crass oli lontoolainen anarkistinen punk yhtye. Niinku muilla punk bändeillä niilläki oli varmaan jotain hakaneuloja. Ne vihas thatcheria ja vittuili levy-yhtiöille. Ne varmaan vihas rahaa ja elämää kun ne näytti niin synkiltä. Varmaan jotain kiljua joivat kanssa. Sit ne oli jotain taiteilijoita, ettei ne potkis vaan seinää. En tiiä mitkä niitten lempiruokia ois, mut kaikkihan tykkää pitsasta. Yhen nimi on Penny Rimbaud, sit on Eve Libertine, Steve Ignorant ja Joy De Vivre ja jotain muita. Jos niillä ois koira, sen nimi olis varmaan Rocky.

psykokarkki · 02.11.2007 10:25

peuk

mäki tykkään pitsasta, taidan olla crass-pissis icon_biggrin icon_lol

:center::huig::center: · 17.06.2008 01:04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSqh0rP3bm0

superjunnu penny rimbaud voitti bbc:n pop art-kilpailun, tapas beatlesin ja valitsi voittolevyikseen shostakovichia ja mingusta biggrin

Larg · 01.12.2008 18:48

Yes Sir, I Will = parasta juuri nyt rokrok sydan

Jean-Babtiste · 01.12.2008 19:07

huïg wrote:

[quote:3d0928d6ea="helicon"][quote:3d0928d6ea="HUIG"]TÄTÄ kaipaan suomalaiselta musiikkijournalismilta[/quote:3d0928d6ea]

Voisko ton referoida yhdeksäsosaksi A4:sta?[/quote:3d0928d6ea]
Crass oli lontoolainen anarkistinen punk yhtye. Niinku muilla punk bändeillä niilläki oli varmaan jotain hakaneuloja. Ne vihas thatcheria ja vittuili levy-yhtiöille. Ne varmaan vihas rahaa ja elämää kun ne näytti niin synkiltä. Varmaan jotain kiljua joivat kanssa. Sit ne oli jotain taiteilijoita, ettei ne potkis vaan seinää. En tiiä mitkä niitten lempiruokia ois, mut kaikkihan tykkää pitsasta. Yhen nimi on Penny Rimbaud, sit on Eve Libertine, Steve Ignorant ja Joy De Vivre ja jotain muita. Jos niillä ois koira, sen nimi olis varmaan Rocky.

Täydellinen Sue/NYT -parodia biggrin

janne m. · 09.02.2010 16:03

[quote:5c44d81b35="huïg"]HUH (HEH)

[quote:5c44d81b35]Feeding Of The 5000. A full live band performance by Steve Ignorant & Selected Guests
Saturday 24th & Sunday 25th November: Shepherds Bush Empire
This special event brings together for the first time many of the most prominent names from the anarcho-punk scene, culminating in a performance of Crass's seminal 'Feeding Of The 5000' album in it's entirety alongside other selected Crass material. Other artists to appear include Flux Of Pink Indians, Conflict and Zounds.
SPECIAL OFFER - 2 Day Ticket £30.00 adv
Tickets available online @ TicketWeb or phone 0870 771 2000 [/quote:5c44d81b35]

Perjantaista alkaen saa lippui netitse, pitäisköhän? Vois mennä huuteleen "sellouts!" shinnen[/quote:5c44d81b35]

Oliks tää kova?

Näyttäs Steve Ignorant presents CRASS-Songs lähtevän Lokakuussa lyhkäselle kiertueelle. Suomeen kans kiitos?

:center::huig::center: · 09.02.2010 16:26

[quote:667fafcbd2="janne m."][quote:667fafcbd2="huïg"]HUH (HEH)

[quote:667fafcbd2]Feeding Of The 5000. A full live band performance by Steve Ignorant & Selected Guests
Saturday 24th & Sunday 25th November: Shepherds Bush Empire
This special event brings together for the first time many of the most prominent names from the anarcho-punk scene, culminating in a performance of Crass's seminal 'Feeding Of The 5000' album in it's entirety alongside other selected Crass material. Other artists to appear include Flux Of Pink Indians, Conflict and Zounds.
SPECIAL OFFER - 2 Day Ticket £30.00 adv
Tickets available online @ TicketWeb or phone 0870 771 2000 [/quote:667fafcbd2]

Perjantaista alkaen saa lippui netitse, pitäisköhän? Vois mennä huuteleen "sellouts!" shinnen[/quote:667fafcbd2]

Oliks tää kova?

Näyttäs Steve Ignorant presents CRASS-Songs lähtevän Lokakuussa lyhkäselle kiertueelle. Suomeen kans kiitos?[/quote:667fafcbd2]
Emmenny, onhan toi nyt sen verran vasyny idea. Kaveriporukan painostuksesta meinasin sillo liveta, mutta koko homma peruuntu. Aika perseesta tommonen Steve Ignorantin takeover koko porukan nimissa kylla, en tiija sit mimmosta on ollu muuta ku et viistoista puntaa teepaidoista ja kaanteentekevaa puuhastelua muutenki...

janne m. · 09.02.2010 16:36

[quote:716f1d8a52="huïg"][quote:716f1d8a52="janne m."][quote:716f1d8a52="huïg"]HUH (HEH)

[quote:716f1d8a52]Feeding Of The 5000. A full live band performance by Steve Ignorant & Selected Guests
Saturday 24th & Sunday 25th November: Shepherds Bush Empire
This special event brings together for the first time many of the most prominent names from the anarcho-punk scene, culminating in a performance of Crass's seminal 'Feeding Of The 5000' album in it's entirety alongside other selected Crass material. Other artists to appear include Flux Of Pink Indians, Conflict and Zounds.
SPECIAL OFFER - 2 Day Ticket £30.00 adv
Tickets available online @ TicketWeb or phone 0870 771 2000 [/quote:716f1d8a52]

Perjantaista alkaen saa lippui netitse, pitäisköhän? Vois mennä huuteleen "sellouts!" shinnen[/quote:716f1d8a52]

Oliks tää kova?

Näyttäs Steve Ignorant presents CRASS-Songs lähtevän Lokakuussa lyhkäselle kiertueelle. Suomeen kans kiitos?[/quote:716f1d8a52]
Emmenny, onhan toi nyt sen verran vasyny idea. Kaveriporukan painostuksesta meinasin sillo liveta, mutta koko homma peruuntu. Aika perseesta tommonen Steve Ignorantin takeover koko porukan nimissa kylla, en tiija sit mimmosta on ollu muuta ku et viistoista puntaa teepaidoista ja kaanteentekevaa puuhastelua muutenki...[/quote:716f1d8a52]

...sen takia se varmaan tekee tuota juttua nytkin Steve Ignorant presents nimellä, että ei siis yritä edes olla mikään Crass temporary comeback. En tiä tuon taustoja, tai siis että onko muita ees kysytty mukaan. Varmaan joo, mutta taitavat muut pitää kii päätöksestään olla soittelematta.

Joo, ohan toi toki aika. Hassua, ja tavallaan tarpeetonta. Aina sitä itekin kritisoi, että onks sen ja ton dinosauruksen pakko vielä kavuta lavalle uudelleen leikkimään nuorta. Mut ehkä tää on sit se jota tulis mentyä katsomaan.

psykokarkki · 25.08.2010 11:12

janne m. wrote:

Näyttäs Steve Ignorant presents CRASS-Songs lähtevän Lokakuussa lyhkäselle kiertueelle. Suomeen kans kiitos?

La 20.11. Tampere. STEVE IGNORANT (uk) PRESENTS THE LAST SUPPER CRASS SONGS 1977-1982, 1981. Klubi.

Su 21.11. Helsinki. STEVE IGNORANT (uk) PRESENTS THE LAST SUPPER CRASS SONGS 1977-1982. -S-/K18. Nosturi.

janne m. · 25.08.2010 11:23

Eiköhän tuonne tule mentyä, tuskin liput mitään ihan mahdottomia maksaa.

Luppakorva sikailee taas · 07.10.2016 22:54

janne m. wrote:

Eiköhän tuonne tule mentyä, tuskin liput mitään ihan mahdottomia maksaa.

Et sitten idiootti mennyt?

Penis Envy piiitkästä aikaa soittimessa. Onpas tää hyvä levy.

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